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  • innovate lc-1 vs PLX SM-AFR

    Hello. i want to know wich wideband would be the best option together with the GIA module from MRM. having some issues with my LC-1 right now. if the car dies and i have to turn off the ignition and on again the LC-1 shows error. so im thinking of getting a new one.

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    save your money buy a autronic gas analyzer, if can't afford new one, or get second hand one, as there always for sale.i got a autronic gas analyzer, the LC-1, the fuel was way out with it

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    • #3
      i have been looking at one of those but im not a fan of buying used stuff since i like to have warranty. also i want to have a gauge and i cant realy fit the autronic analyzer on the dash :P

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      • #4
        You can use just any alternative to the LC1, like PLX, AEM...
        Google for what people think about their wideband sensor.

        The LC1 has its weaknesses. It requires frequent air recalibrations to be good.
        And even if the led indicator says the sensor is heated up alright, the AF will fluctuate for some 5/10 minutes after warmup because the heater closed loop hasn't stabilized.

        And i think many people fail in calibrating their sensor. Have to follow the procedure to first start the LC1 without sensor attached for some seconds, to clear old heater calibration data, then ignition off for some seconds, and first then connect the sensor and make air calibration with the sensor detached from the exhaust in free air for some 5/15 minutes. Then ignition off for some minute, before actually relying on its output. Otherwise it will show the wrong AF.

        The LC1 is cheap, but it can be "fair" to use if one can calibrate it often, and if one cancels out the ground potential differences on signal ground with a Ground Isolation Amplifier (GIA). Then it will give the performance claimed by Innovate, eg some +/- 0.2 AFP. At least until the heater calibration goes off again, or the EGT gets to hot for the LC1's heater closed loop.
        Johan Jansson, +46-708-280832

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        • #5
          Ngk afx ?
          He gets his lap dogs to do his talking for him. Buzzard is a good example.

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          • #6
            sorry but the NGK is the same thing. im going for a completely stock looking interior of my car so dont want to ruin it by putting alot of add-on stuff there. a normal 52mm gauge fits the stock gauge hole. i have the LC-1 there right now but im not feeling happy with it so i was thinking of switching to the PLX

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            • #7
              the is a new inovate lc-2 out now, should be better.

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              • #8
                yeah saw it now. but still a little worrying to buy another product from a company that made the first one that is buggy. its software is horrible for the configuration of the LC-1. i can set it for one output and then it magicaly resets and so on.

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                • #9
                  I had similar issues with LC-1, so did two of our race cars (BMW S54). All issues were gone after we changed to AEM inline device. I have been running it now for 3 years, still with original sensor.

                  It just works, no calibrations needed, no heater issues, doesn't eat sensors like Innovate products do.

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                  • #10
                    ok. then ill switch to the PLX i like the gauge on it. but would have preferred a VDO gauge. already having a buyer on the LC-1

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                    • #11
                      I believe you will need the GIA Module for PLX. I used the PLX while back and the sensor and power grounds were tied together. They might have changed the design now.

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                      • #12
                        yeah i was going to go with the GIA since its alot cheaper and takes less space than going to autronic AFR route.

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                        • #13
                          Hi.
                          I made a ground isolation amplifier for my lc1, and it works great. It isolates the two grounds perfectly. I made it so it can be used with smc/sm2/sm3 and sm4.

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                          • #14
                            holy thread ressurect!
                            I didn't bother using isolation amp on my LC1 w/SM4 1.09 plugin

                            however the readigs are "jumpy" even after I changed the settings to 1/6 sec response speed, so I've been thinking lately about getting authentic autronic wideband, anyone got one for sale?

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                            • #15
                              It worked perfect the prototype isolation amp I made, no jumpy reading at all , I have been logging data and tuning my engine. So no need spending a lot of money.

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