knock control for sm4

[sss7556]

hi, all!
are there any idea for knock control for sm4?

[Marcel B]

I second this question , is the knock control and traction control available yet ?

[ABIEX]

Upp!

[RAC]

It would be nice if it wasn't too far away thats for sure.

[MRMRacing]

The knock control is getting closer all I can tell.

Talk to your dealer about getting traction control, it is available in limited quantity's and should be installed by the dealers.

[samvel]

Why TC is limited? Is it just firmware chip upgrade for current boxes?

[Marcel B]

Any more info on this ?

[MRMRacing]

Samvel, you can get the chip if you need it.

[boostoman]

MRM Racing
any news regarding the knock sensor?

[RAC]

I wonder what it'll cost when it does show up?

[beetos]

Will knock and traction work together? I already have traction 1.09 (cost $100 Australian installed). Will the knock add any more inputs / outputs as there is not many left on my set up.

Thanks.

[RAC]

From what Ray told me years ago, the knock board will be another circuit board that will slide in above the sm4, there will be two inputs on a new back plate of the ecu. This may have changed of cause ?

[RichardC]

Any update on this feature yet?

[Chris]

Knock board is still in development. I don not expect it to be released until it is perfect. Perfection
take time.

Chris

[Dragracer187]

is there a expected release date for this? Or is it known if it will be this year or next?

[Chris]

Knock control development continues.

Chris

[bazeng]

i have purchased a Link - KNOCK LINK unit.

It is an LED displayed knock sensor.
I was thinking of wiring the KNOCK LED to an input on the AUTRONIC which I can then get the ecu to retard ignition or boost cut.

Do you guys think this will be okay?

The KNOCK LINK sensitivity can be adjusted via a screw adjustment on the unit.
It utilised a bosch knock sensor.

What do you guys think?

[MRMRacing]

It can be done, if I would go for a knock unit before Autronic has this available I would by the Vampire kit from John http://www.jandssafeguard.com/

[RAC]

You can take an output from the knocklink to monitor knock but its no good for controling it.
I use my knocklink like this and it works geat for finding were the knock was when datalogging.
I would hold off spending big money untill the Autronic knock module is released.

[gudmundur]

I read a while back that there was development on an ION sensing implementation for Autronic.
Is that going to be one of the features on the Knock board ?

regards
Gudmundur

[supercharger]

yeah thats right i allso read that in a book by the author ben strader and there whas a several EFI system that he explains and discuss a whole lot of it functions and so on . how ever in that book when they discuss about SMC and the release of the new SM4 at the time so the SM4 would be able to have knock detection via ION sensing they said in the book ,,,,,just to mension maby its really on the way i hope so

[RAC]

I would like for someone to spill some beens on some details. As far as i know it will use Knock sensors(up to two of them) with the connectors on a new back plate of the ecu.

Its taking its time thats for sure but so is the website and manuals :rolleyes:

Sounds like Autronic need more staff to me.

[Chris]

Knock control development continues.

Chris

[kristov]

Any news on this?

[Chris]

Knock control development continues.

Chris

[Darren1993RZ]

Still waiting ,any news yet. ViPec are already offering this feature so hopefully Autronic will soon match them.

Cheers
Darren

[RAC]

The Link g4/vipec knock control is very simple compared to what Autronic are doing.

[Wroom]

The Link g4/vipec knock control is very simple compared to what Autronic are doing.
Yes. I don't like the idea of knock control shunting down ignition by 6 degrees then leave it there. Would give horrendous exhaust gas temperatures.
And knock is detected as a general engine noise above a certain mapped level. Could be noise from a loose heater plate on the exhaust header, WOT shifting with a sinter clutch, or any other noise source on the engine.

Still, it is some degree of knock control that give a bit of protection. Tested it, and it works. Have to give that to LINK.


But individual cylinder knock control that dynamically asess knock free ignition level per cylinder through measuring only in the knock window on a crank revolution, and also performes enrichment, as well as control boost level, (like the origin TPC system from SAAB does), is much more interesting to have.

[Chris]

Whilst knock board development continues, I have been advised that knock boards are now available to suit Subaru. For pricing or other information consult your local dealer.

Chris

[Chip3Door]

Id sooner have crude knock control than none, but I would sooner have good knock control than crude.

Lets hope something makes it to market soon while SM4 is still current technology.

[Rabbit]

Any news on the knockboard??

[Chris]

Knock boards are available for Subaru and Mitsubishi. They are in use by many tuners.

Excellent control for these engines. In my experience a knock board has improved power and torque in every instance .

Chris

[bemarim3ex]

Any idea when it will be available for a generic SM4?

[Chris]

You mean for a Subaru or Mitsu running on an SM4 or a knock board for all occasions?

Chris

[bemarim3ex]

knock board for all occasions

[frotou]

I'm interesting to know also ...

How it compare to J&S safeguard ? (I know ''compare''' is not the best way to call it)

Will be the need for a big demand for each application or a more universal model is in developpement ?


Claude

[gts_215i]

Are there any plans/work in progress for a knock board module to suit sm4 ?

[MRMRacing]

Are there any plans/work in progress for a knock board module to suit sm4 ?

There are available a knockboard for the Sm4, it is the calibration that suits Subaru & EVO.

[gts_215i]

Ok so there is a knock board avaliable for sm4...

Calibrations only to suit subaru wrx & mitsubish evo

Any other models or an calibration / knock module that the end user can tune - to suit different engines etc...

Calibration variable to ignore mechanical noise etc...
Frequency adjustment etc...

[RAC]

I would also like to know if when a universal knock board comes out will the mitsi and subaru knock boards be able to be setup for other engines just like the universal ones?

[MRMRacing]

If you speak to your dealer there are possibilities to do a cal for a special car, I know SeaDoo has SM4 and knockboard and I plan the Volvo 5 cyl engine.

[gts_215i]

Ok, So i did some ringing around today &...

Knock Control is avaliable for the following
- Mitsubishi - EVO
- Subaru - WRX
- Ford - XR6 Turbo
- Kawasaki - Jetski
- Seadoo - Jetski

But no V8's as yet & no plans for the near future...

Are more than willing to do it if somebody is paying for it - but costly at over 1K to data log an engine + then they still have to sit down Actually write the calibration for it !!!

Bugger :(

[Darren1993RZ]

Im still hoping some sort of Knock Control Module becomes available to suit a 2JZ-GTE. Fingers crossed.

Have to let my mate know its available for his XR6 Turbo as he needs a replacement ECU instead of the flashed factory unit he currently runs.

Big fan of the SM 4 just after a little more safety so I can push the tune a little harder.

[MRMRacing]

Are your engine using one or two knock sensors?

[Supra A70]

also interested in a 2jzgte knock board if one gets configured. what process is involded in mapping a new engine to the knock board? I dont believe I have any Autronic dealers near me anymore (since ray hall got out of it)

[MRMRacing]

You still got this member supercharged88 in cairns, he knows what to do!

Are the Supra using one or two knock sensors? Autronic are working on two sensor knock but are not ready at this moment.

[Supra A70]

supras have 2 knock sensors.

[Chris]

I would be happy to fly up and take care of it.

Chris



also interested in a 2jzgte knock board if one gets configured. what process is involded in mapping a new engine to the knock board? I dont believe I have any Autronic dealers near me anymore (since ray hall got out of it)

[-Totenkopf-]

So how much interest do they require to make a board for a specific engine application. I am chasing something for a 3SGTE.

[HIZOKU]

This sucks, i want one for my 1jzgte
Might be time to sell the autronic and go to motec

im finding it hard to find anyone who knows about autornics in melb yes everyone can tune them but no one knows how to get the best out of one :(

[bazeng]

Hizoku, have you tried looking at the autronic dealers list? Who have you tried? I use springy motors and they know their Autronics!

On topic, they just did some testing on the new sr20det knock board with Richard and achieved some fantastic results! I'll post up a dyno graph shortly but overall increase by about 10-20kws at the wheels across the rev range!

[Paul m]

If you speak to your dealer there are possibilities to do a cal for a special car, I know SeaDoo has SM4 and knockboard and I plan the Volvo 5 cyl engine.


What is involved in writing a knock board cal?

And is it a dealer only thing or end user also?

Just trying to get a better understanding.

Thanks
Paul
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[MRMRacing]

We need sound recordings in a sweep from idle to RPM limit from the knock
sensor and SM4 tacho pulse at No-Load and Medium load at least. The
recordings need to be in Wav format (PCM, 44.1 kHz, 16 bit, stereo) and need to be accurately scaled, preferably confirmed with an oscilloscope.

If the knock sensor is directly connected to a sound card then we also need to know the resistance of the sound card input. There must NOT be any clipping of the recorded signal and any AGC (Auto Gain Control) in the soundcard must be disabled.

As the sound cards generally have 1v inputs there will need to
be a pot on the input. That can be used to scale the input so we need to
know the value set on the pot also.

A good choice of card is Creative Labs USB Sound Blaster S80490 sound card and Roxio Creator 9XE software.

[bazeng]

Here is the knockboard testing dyno run on an SR20.

I didn't look through all of the runs but these were two clean runs that I found on the dyno computer.

I was told that ignition trims on each cylinder were fine tuned in order to achieve equal knock on all cylinders at the same time.

Mighty impressive imo!

I'm hoping to do the same on my 4g63 (early model).
Hopefully the current 4g63 knockboard will be compatible!

[Ian]

I can't remember but does your engine have a variable intake cam? If so it looks like the switching point to retard is too early in the rpm range.

[HIZOKU]

bazeng I have been told to many bad stories to even look at springvale motors from bad tunes to just general stuffing around with many friends cars of all sorts so will stay away from there

looking at using BENINCA for everything autornic and prob chasers to do the tune it self Maybe even use beninca will see what they have to say

[Paul m]

We need sound recordings in a sweep from idle to RPM limit from the knock
sensor and SM4 tacho pulse at No-Load and Medium load at least. The
recordings need to be in Wav format (PCM, 44.1 kHz, 16 bit, stereo) and need to be accurately scaled, preferably confirmed with an oscilloscope.

If the knock sensor is directly connected to a sound card then we also need to know the resistance of the sound card input. There must NOT be any clipping of the recorded signal and any AGC (Auto Gain Control) in the soundcard must be disabled.

As the sound cards generally have 1v inputs there will need to
be a pot on the input. That can be used to scale the input so we need to
know the value set on the pot also.

A good choice of card is Creative Labs USB Sound Blaster S80490 sound card and Roxio Creator 9XE software.


Hi Robert,

Thanks for that explanation.

Paul
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[bazeng]

bazeng I have been told to many bad stories to even look at springvale motors from bad tunes to just general stuffing around with many friends cars of all sorts so will stay away from there

looking at using BENINCA for everything autornic and prob chasers to do the tune it self Maybe even use beninca will see what they have to say

Fair enough mate.
I haven't had any had issues with them at all.
I youf plan to stick with autronic, I advise autronic dealers only simply because they are not like other ecus (can be quite difficult to setup and tune if you don't know the software).

[Chris]

Beninca should be very good and I would look at using them to do the whole job.

Chris

[HIZOKU]

Yeah i might, i have been searching heaps i sort of want this knock system so i can use it as a safe guard sort of and start tunning my self with data logging i get from circuit and drift days i do

been researching as much as i can from people who self tune trying to find courses as such but so far only one i can find in melb on offer is motec ones and well i dont have a motec so they dont want me there

[HIZOKU]

Sorry forgot to add i contacted BENINCA in regards to doing everything for knock board and 1.09 chipset or what ever it is

[HIZOKU]

BENINCA is able to do 1jz knockboards after i send my car there for recoreding but IAN in QLD said he is doing a bunch of toyota engines soon

would be good if they made a list of what is aval

now i just got to find out cost of knockboard and all this

[lsrvette]

As an FYI... John at JandSSafegaurd.com has agreed to do a ugrade to his "Intercepter" box to support the SM4 muxed output. This will allow those of us that run big V8s with M&W PRO-18c or posibly other muxed CDI boxes to have full sequential, individual cylider nock control. The upgrade (firmware) should be availible latter this month.

And yes, we would love to have it in the SM4 but the odds of having a map done for some of these one off motors is probably not good...